Ethics, Lifestyle, Personal, Relationships - Written by Entropy on Monday, January 18, 2010 23:51 - 6 Comments
Using the Correct Head, Ctd.
If you missed it, there was a nice comment discussion going on with this post — where I talked about passing up a lay where I thought it was a bad idea both socially and logistically.
Predictably, I got some comments calling me an AFC. Here’s the main one:
I do understand your point of view I have done the same thing. However there will come a day when you see stuff like this as missed opportunity. In the end your nice guy fantasy will be gone and so will the girl and someone else will have her instead. it sounds like you are a little negative about sex and are a little bit too sappy which is plain old afc syndrome. Your idea of her sex life is completely made up, you do not know she is monogamous by nature and if she is she is 1 in a million and maybe you should have proposed. However what happened was really nothing. This idea that not having sex is an accomplishmment is really bogus. Your whole story should be “I could have had a great night but I decided not to go for it at the end of the night because I was afraid of complications.”
The only thing I agree with you on is that nothing happened. It was just another girl, another interaction.
But I don’t think you do understand my point of view. The days of me seeing this as a “missed opportunity” are actually the 5 years behind me, not in front of me.
Someone else CAN have her, and assuming he can give her what she wants more than I can, I’d be happy for her. I’m secure enough to accept that I’m not willing to give her what she wants. I see it as “nexting” her for her own good.
Most women are fairly monogamous by nature. Again, the community skews men’s perception of women to believe that they’re all just like the club girl with the short skirt. The average American female has 7 partners in her life. HER WHOLE LIFE. Less than half ever have a one night stand.
There are robust statistics on this done by condom companies with sample sizes in the 100,000’s. Look them up (they’re somewhere here on the site).
Most people in the world aren’t huge partyers and socialites. Most people don’t really care how hot the person they made out with on Friday night was… Most people are fairly content to just date whoever they happen to meet in their every day lives and not think twice about it. This is true for women too.
If you really do want to understand my perspective (and I’m assuming you do since you’re coming here and trying to give me advice), then you should read this first: http://www.entropypua.com/blog/lr-three-girls-at-a-stripper-party
That sums up pretty well where I come from and where I was 3-4 years ago. I lost a couple friendships and broke up a new couple as a result of my actions on that night. But hey, I hooked up with three girls, laying two of them (one in the bathroom) that night. Worth it, right?
At the time, I thought so. And honestly, I wouldn’t go back and change anything that happened. It was an awesome night. But my point is, back then the sex took the priority. Girls crying, friendships ruined, people yelling… it didn’t matter, because I got laid and I was the man.
I don’t condemn that, but that’s just not my priority anymore. These days, a good friendship is worth just as much or more than sloppy bathroom sex. You can call that the “AFC mentality,” but I call it maturity. And I call it a privilege to have it, as I think it’s something that’s earned through being confident in yourself and your sexuality. It’s earned through experience.
And I’ve earned the experience to have that perspective. Seriously dude, have you ever had a bathroom lay? Once you get over the thrill, they’re really not that cool…
You’re right that I don’t want to deal with the complications. And if I was completely inexperienced, that would be a problem… If I didn’t have the experience, it WOULD be me bitching out.
But I have the opposite problem now. I meet girls like this, and I’ve already been with 20 other girls just as hot and cool as them before. So suddenly the sex isn’t that important at all, and suddenly those “complications” aren’t always worth the trouble. Why create all sorts of problems with this girl when I can go out for a few nights and go home with a girl just as hot WITHOUT all of the complications?
Let me ask you this… If you were a millionaire, would you still work for $20/hr? It’s the same thing… if you’ve slept with 100 beautiful women, why add unnecessary stress to your life for 101?
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RedTie
boo
I strongly agree with what you’re saying here. It’s a funny thing in the pick up community, because a lot of guys don’t care about complications, breaking up couples, etc.. However, in the pick up community, one of the aims is to have a mindset of abundance with the opposite sex. So, if you become good enough where you do have the abundance mindset, than why wouldn’t you just go after any other girl who isn’t in a relationship, or would cause complications? A lot of guys who I know from the pick up community retort that she was going to cheat anyway, so if it’s not with you- than it would be with some other guy.. But why would you want to be an instrument of hurting someone else (ex. the boyfriend), if you can just as easily go out and pick up a girl who isn’t in a relationship? I do feel as if it’s a maturity thing- not that I’m that good or anything- but for me it’s more of the morality. It’s going to sound cheesy, but there’s that line in Spiderman “with great power comes great responsibility”.
DeeFrame
^ Agreed Boo. No need to be banging everything little thing that is on your doorstep, especially if People are going to get hurt.
The flip side is that there are just a lot of chicks who are always in a “relationship” . They go from one “relationship” to the next relationship, while “cheating” (actually wasn’t cheating because it did not count because “we were so over anyway”) along the way.
An argument could be made that you were dong them both a favor expediting the end of their relationship.
I am in the court of not hurting people on purpose and positively making people’s live better. However, that can be entirely subjective and In Life, people are going to get hurt out there…….Peace……..D
Marclee
Noooooooo. Your link doesn’t work!!!!
Need it! Need to know!
http://www.entropypua.com/blog/lr-three-girls-at-a-stripper-party
Link fixed…
The ethics surrounding the “to lay or not to lay” has been discussed EXTENSIVELY on these posts as well:
http://www.entropypua.com/blog/ethics-lay-a-bride-at-her-bachelorette-party
http://www.entropypua.com/blog/epilogue-bride-at-bachelorette-party
http://www.entropypua.com/blog/pua-ethics-revisited
chaosman
everyones goals in the community are different. If you just want to get laid then so be it. if you want a relationship thats okay too.
The trend i have seen being the community these past few years is newbies and intermediate care mostly about lays and sheer numbers and and over time once they start getting laid more they care less about the sex and more about the quality of the girl. And there are times where you pass up pussy because it isn’t worth or time or will lead to other shit which you don’t wanna deal with.
all the people posting and talking shit are just virgin keyboard jockeys. Talk to guys that get laid the last thing on their mind is pussy
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