Yet here we are talking about it. It’s even in the Czech media, and this is a country that doesn’t care about golf. It’s beyond golf now.

The media doesn’t chase the real criminals out there or hold politicians to account. They can hold celebrities to account without getting hurt themselves.

And the people? They complain about it all – before buying another copy of their favourite tabloid at Walmart or Tesco.

Sad, really…And sad to see intellectual countries like this one following all the dumbed-down stuff in the ‘west’….

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HEY Entropy, As i think of you as ONE of the leaders in the PU Community, I think the REAL story your missing is the DECEPTION in the guise of OMG, ALL THOSE WOMEN THROWING THEMSELVES AT ALPHA ? ? HIM. AND _ _ as Tiger _ _ IS A PUBLIC FIGURE, _ _ I think a major faux pau of PU community standards ? ? _ _ discretion, _ _ severely lacking ? ?

I think its like when a girl, or woman, asks “so Mark ? ? _ _ what do you do for a living ??” Your responses are ? ?
OR, when I want to date a stripper, it is suggested I refer to her line of work as “Dancer”. When is the proper time to disclose to others I am interested in of other sexual partners, and, or, emotionally committed partner(S), I have ?

I feel that Tiger NOW = all men in general. FOr this reason, needs the support of other men, AND the PU Community. Yeah, SURPRISE ladies, this is what men “do not apologize” for doing, AND what some men have the balls to do. So, I think Tiger needs the PUBLIC SUPPORT of MEN that he has no need to apologize for acting upon his sexual desires.

NOT ” I don’t really understand why everybody gets such a thrill out of digging into some guy’s personal problems and personal business. ” Mark, it’s for the same reason that Romance novels are such big, profitable, sellers.

Tiger is a PUBLIC figure. He makes tons of money from it. If wants his life private, well, there are more then enough PUBLIC figures around that could of shown him the way. hmmmm, maybe some did ? ?

What concerns me is Tiger’s reaction, and the PU Communities reaction, or lack thereof, in a way that enhances, reinforces, WOMEN’S agenda’s, and thereby, their expectations of how I, and all men, are expected to socialize.

To me, his DECEPTION should be of concern to all, especially the PU community. OR, do I have it wrong, AND its ok to deceive women? ? as long as I do not get caught ??? As long as I ensure the risk of her getting caught has higher consequences to her then to me ???

The other concern for me, is the PU Community’s SILENCE about the reversal of the double standard, ITS DEAFININGGGGG !!!!!!

I think the discussion for men, AND the PU Community can be the shameless, disgusting way that the women involved, (most, if any at all, were) NOT MARRIED ?????, seem to have come to some sort of illusions about Tiger being. 1. MARRIED, 2. A Very Public Figure.

Knight

PART 2 of 2

Please note, the tradition of Adultery as a moral issue came way before the old testament. It was then, more an issue of property rights, lowering monetary value (in the case of virgin’s dowry), or stealing (wifey impregnated by lover(s), hubby thinks it’s his, raises it as if it were, chastity belts). Adultery occurs when a MARRIED WOMAN has sex with any man. In Leviticus, the two statuses’ of women a man is not permitted to have sex with (penetrated AND lay seed) were, are,

1 MARRIED WOMEN, (still law in most States _ not enforced _ OR good skill getting it enforced)
2. Engaged Women.

All others were, are ? fair game, EVEN FOR MARRIED MEN. Tiger has shown us the mess, and drama it can provide, in many peoples lives. So, The Sages and Fathers of the Christian-Judeo-Muslim religions (probably “nice guys” and “friends”, affected by wives and daughters gone mad/sadness despondent/depressed) issued further restrictions and consequences. Their so called concern was the anger of a jealous man and the violence they are capable of committing (think OJ) OR, and, as we have yet to see, damage to Tiger’s wife and children ( and “nice guys” and their “friends” that happen to be men) in ways that affect all society. The PU Community is a part of this society _ _ RIGHT????

Tiger has my support in not APOLOGIZING for his strong, but needy, way that Alpha men with very strong sex drives behave. Take away needy, and I think he would of then had the discipline to maintain discretion so that a few would know. Then, maybe, he could of been the one to make even more money disclosing these in his self-biography written many years later, like Barbara Walters did.

I DO feel he owes apologies for deception and severe lack of discretions. I think I have read a few PUA blog’s that oralize this? _ _ hmmmm, maybe I am being naive, and the are really analizing; _ and deception and lack of discretions is just a spewing of standards in the guise of fecal material.

Knight

Can I quote you on my new blog, Entropy? If not, no problem.

After Knight’s post, I have two comments:

1. let’s leave it to Tiger to sort out with his wife and whoever else is involved. We don’t know the real story so quit the judging – either way.

2. If you cheat, then you have little integrity. If you cheat, then you should be MAN enough to accept responsibility for your own actions.

David: Sure. I just ask that you link to me.

Cool, no prob! In case you’re wondering, it’s David from Prague

In case you have not noticed David _ _ _ We have let Tiger and his wife decide(d). Nothing in the above discusses that.

IN AMERICA, we still have the freedom(s) to voice opinions and make judgments. Like to me, OJ is guilty of murder. OUR government is NOT allowed to have that view. In the view of the government, OJ did NOT murder anybody.

Apparently you and I agree that the issue of Tiger’s Integrity is the issue AND apparently you and I have judged ( . . . “We don’t know the real story . . “) , or is it, have similar Opinion(s), about his Integrity.

David, suppose, just suppose, hypothetically, Tiger told his wife that he was going to go and have more sex with each woman that threw her panties at him, AS he needed, or wanted, more sex, OR sexual variety. Is that then cheating ???? or is that integrity ? ?

It’s cheating if telling her that broke a commitment he made prior — i.e., a commitment he made to her not cheat on her.

Judging by the golf club through his car window, I’m going to guess he broke that commitment.

Being non-monogamous is only moral if you’re honest and open about it BEFORE you do it.

He broke a vow to his wife ~ they weren’t in an open relationship. I have no respect for him right now.

It’s a pretty sad thing that most people would be more surprised that a young man, as successful as he is, would actually stay faithful to his wife. Not pretty sad – very sad.

So Angela, I am interested in understanding how much respect you have for:

1. All the women who/that, threw/throw their panties at him ?
2. All the women that did not look at his finger for a wedding band ?
3. All the women that knew, should know/find out his martial status, AND had sex with him any way ??

From a woman’s view, what does a persons moral character/integrity got to do with their winning awards for their great achievement and, or, performance in their profession ?

10 years ago when Pres. Bill Clinton was doing Monica ( I admire her for attaining her goal through making a connection with the then Pres.) I asked 4 woman if he should resign. 3 said “it is his personal life, what does that have to do with him being President ?” One said he should of resigned.
Last night Andrea Tantaros, a talking head on a news panel, opinionated that Athletic awards should include a persons moral behavior AWAY from the game ???? How is a man to understand that response ??

Knight

There’s a difference, Knight, in saying that his wife should divorce him and that the PGA should kick him off the tour. That’s the difference between this and Clinton. I don’t think anyone is saying he should be banned from golf for this.

I have very little respect for Tiger as an overall human being. It disgusts me that he apparently lacks, as apparently many men AND women do, any understanding of the kind of extent, or intensity, of trauma that the deceptive behavior, of all involved, do to the victim’s identity and confidence in themselves as a sexual AND individual beings.
I am even more disgusted , AND baffled, that HE was not more decisive about initiating the break up of his marriage in a more conscious, less damaging way. CAUTION: I am going to speculate: It seems to me that when Tiger realized his gorgeous-sexy wife – and mother of his children, could not keep up with his sex drive, THAT would of been the best time FOR HIM to open discussion(S) about the commitment they made, that SHE had an understanding of, so SHE had input into his making a decision of staying or going. I think his being less discrete over time, was his (may be many other’s) way of having HIS WIFE pull the trigger to initiate the divorce.
This is in contrast to Brad Pitt for his being decisive in leaving one wife for another. It was far from perfect, and had some flaws, still has its drama, but certainly seems more acceptable then the way Tiger went/ is going about his.

So, how does this relate to PU? and, or, being a PUA?
DECEPTION and Decisive Decision Making
Does THIS topic deserve any discussion in the PU community?
IF SO, At what point in PUA training, AND does it deserve nay sort of time as a continuing education topic within the PU Community.
How much time and attention is to be given to including discussions of trauma that deceptive behavior, of all involved, do to the victim’s identity and confidence in themselves as a sexual AND individual beings.

Knight

Knight: Your last comment is pretty much exactly why I avoid these stories and move on… We know absolutely NOTHING about Tiger and his situation, his life, his personality, his emotional make-up, his relationship history, his wife’s personality and emotional disposition, their marital expectations, his family history, etc., etc., etc.

All we know is what’s printed in magazines and tabloids here and there — which really isn’t much — and most of which is probably either false or a caricature of how he really is.

At the end of the day, we don’t REALLY know anything about him, as much as we’d like to think we do. So I think to make any strong judgments is out of line. It’s really easy to point a finger at him… but what the hell is the point? Statistically speaking, literally MILLIONS of Americans cheat on their spouses each year… it is what it is.

I think this is why stories like this strike a nerve in people… we have these “fantasy” versions of celebrities and athletes built up in our heads by popular culture, but every now and then, reality hits and we realize we have no clue… and it pisses us off.

Does the topic of emotional transparency and setting relationship expectations deserve to be talked about? Does cheating? Absolutely. I talk about all that stuff quite a bit on this blog.

But does TIGER warrant discussion? My suggestion is to focus your energy and emotion on something you actually understand…

I appreciate the clarification.

I was thinking more of the discussions of his deservedness of being awarded the best athlete over the last 10 years by the AP. This is in addition to the discussions of kicking him out as corporate spokesperson. My understanding is this is how most pros attain their great wealth from the great achievements of their profession.

I appreciate the suggestion. It’s through the lives of Tiger, Brad Pitt, Mick Jagger, Gene Simmons, Paul Newman, Ronald Regan, that helps to ME gain understanding that I lack.

Hey Angela, You are so full ofsh it. He broke his vow just like you did, So STFU.