Attraction, Inner Game, PUA Theory - Written by Entropy on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 23:10 - 5 Comments

The Question of Quality

A student emailed me today:

I hate the feeling of sleeping with/hooking up with girls that I am not that attracted to. I always feel shitty after the fact and while I might enjoy the experience I pray not to bump into that person again after. A lot of that could be due to immaturity and shallowness in general (i.e. thinking that a girls looks define how successful you are). However, I am sure that this is something that must comes up a lot in guys developments. Its not as if I am sleeping with anyone now so I always think that I should push myself to just sleep with as many girls as possible. However, I came into this to find girls that I could really like a lot not to put up numbers.

I know having standards that are too high is just a dumb copout. Intellectually that makes total sense. But there just feels something peverse about forcing yourself to hookup.

What are your thoughts on this?

This is a question I get a lot and it’s tough because my answer varies depending on the guy asking it and why he’s asking it.

Here are the two arguments:

1. The argument for hooking up with girls you’re not that attracted to is the “practice” argument. Basically, it gets you used to escalating, to getting physical and sexual, to reading signals from a girl who likes you, etc.

2. The argument AGAINST hooking up with girls you’re not into is, well… it’s that it’s not that fun.

I’ve always fallen into the second camp myself. I know some guys don’t mind sleeping with a fat chick now and then, but if I don’t find a girl attractive, I literally am not enjoying myself… I’d rather be masturbating.

So the answer here has more to do with priorities and what exactly a guy is struggling with. Doc used to regularly recommend guys with little or no sexual experience to lower their standards to get over a lot of their fears and anxieties surrounding women and being sexual. On many points, I agree with him.

But at the same time, if you don’t really have any sexual hang-ups, if you have some experience in the past, if you’ve been with attractive women before, there’s really NO acceptable reason to slum it other than to pad your stats.

Sleeping with a slew of mediocre girls is a validation trap, and in the end, it won’t get the moderately experienced guy any better with girls he’s ACTUALLY attracted to.

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Giggy
Apr 1, 2009 0:56

Hi Entropy,

I have been reading your blog for several months and wanted to finally leave some feedback. You have the best insights I have seen in all of the community and seem to be the most comfortable with yourself of all the pua’s out there. I strongly agree with your opinions on sticking points and how most of it is on the guy himself. I am certainly in that situation and have unfathomable approach anxiety. In reflection of my previous boy/girl interactions, I see many situations where I was the limiting factor in hooking up or pushing the interaction further. I have many limiting beliefs that I need to overcome and your blog has been helping me do so, even if it is a slow process. I have your ebook, but I obtained it freely, as soon as I use the info to get a gf, I will gladly pay for it and then some.
Thank you for you continued free advice,
Lonely in CA

Anonymous
Apr 1, 2009 15:36

Gotta disagree…if your saying lower your standards thats cool if your skillset isnt that great and you want to get better and more comfortable doing things like escalating, being sexual, etc. But I have to commend those guys that do hook up with 5 and 6’s and their game is super tight because they don’t care what people think and they know that the next day they’ll be a 9 or 10 they’ll bang so might as well get your nut while its there.

Anonymous
Apr 1, 2009 19:01

I had a similar problem as your student, as that my standards initially were way too high. My social intuition was not up to par, as well as some sexual anxiety among other things. After lowering the standards, it helped rebound me way higher afterwards to get through those blocks.

One important thing I have to note which is not always covered in the community is something I like to call STD Radar. If you are lowering your standards you are possibly increasing your risk to get an STD. As I see it, girls who are higher quality are more selective and take better care of themselves vs. lower quality girls.

Yes of course you should use condoms etc, but there are STDs which can attack outside of condoms. Trust me I know, I got f-ed over because of one such incident. She ended being a FB with nothing noticeable and bam I get hit with this shit and out of commission for 1+year already. FUCK! So my lesson learned was go for the gold and try not to settle with a lower quality FB/GF/etc. Now I see easier 6’s and pass to get something better. Let alone just like Entropy posted before that the 6’s don’t even look that great and 8’s aren’t what they used to be.

mmapua
Apr 2, 2009 2:06

CJ said it best: “an average girl beats the hand.”

Anonymous
Apr 2, 2009 10:48

dudes – it depends on the situation. the time and the context. If you need the experience, then by all means dont discriminate. You need the experience to work your way up to the capability level for the better chicks.

If you already has solid game and have some experience with good looking women then really its how you feel in that moment. Are you really horny? Has it been a few weeks since your last lay? Is there any social cost to banging this girl? If you’re confidant enough, then you’ll know that a better girl is just the next night out away. Might as well have some fun if it’s the best available option. or just go home get high, eat some some pizza or jerk off. no big deal.

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