Inner Game, PUA Theory - Written by Entropy on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:39 - 9 Comments

The HB Rating Scale

Interesting discussion came up on the Boston boards about rating girls and guys having trouble “getting the 9’s and 10’s.” This is a pretty common problem, and the solution I found to it a while back isn’t obvious by any means.

Some people say ditch the ratings scale, which isn’t a bad idea. Guys who get too obsessed with the ratings scale and adjusting their game to it end up objectifying women a great deal. Although physical beauty CAN be judged, its correlation to a girl’s personality is loose at best.

So ditching it is better than being married to it. But I’ve found that you can use it to help you.

The rest of the post is written in response to a guy who said: “6’s and 7’s are easy and I’m not that into them. I don’t have to try. 9’s and 10’s are hard and I get really nervous around them. How do you get over this?”

The rating scale is all in your head, so you can use it to fuck you up (like you’re doing now), or you can use it to your advantage.

“Quality” girls is a relative term. We’ve all known this — your 10 could be my 6 and vice-versa.

But it’s also relative to you. For instance, I had a big realization when I ran into some FB’s from like 3 years ago. What used to be a 9 was now a 7 at best. The girl that three years before I was shaking in my shoes trying to hook up with became a girl who would be lucky if I called her back. It’s relative IN YOUR HEAD TOO.

When you go out, you say that 6’s and 7’s are easy. 9’s and 10’s are hard. We can deduce that you are valuing yourself at about an 8 (this is all pretty normal by the way).

The 6’s are easy because you don’t perceive them to be worth your time or energy to pursue. As a result, you act non-reactive, un-needy and laid back around them creating a lot of attraction.

On the other hand, you perceive the 9’s and 10’s the have more value than you, so you are more inclined to be try-hard, needy and sensitive.

If you change your perception of what’s a 9 and 10, then you can fix these problems.

Basically, just move your scale up. What used to be your 9 is now your 7. That HB7 FB you have is now a 5. What would your new 9 or 10 be?

Now go after them. What you’ll find is, you’ll start laying 6’s and 7’s pretty easily again with some practice… except these are 6’s and 7’s that used to be your 9’s and 10’s.

The only drawback to this, is you develop obscenely high standards. And your friends think you’re a snob. LOL.

Once the new set of 6’s and 7’s become too easy, slide your scale up again. What ends up happening is your definition of a 9 become a Maxim model and your 10 ceases to exist, hahaha.

But this is what I mean by using the rating scale to your ADVANTAGE rather than limiting yourself by it. When you keep it and obsess over it and keep it so limited, you’ll always be stuck going for the “9’s and 10’s.” But if you slide it up repeatedly, what you’re actually doing is tricking your mind to slide up your own perceived value, which in turns causes you to be non-needy, unreactive, chilled out and really cool around REALLY hot chicks.

Basically, you want your scale to slide up along with your success. Guys who adapt insanely high standards without any success or experience are just making excuses. But if your standards are always ONE STEP AHEAD of your experience, you’ll constantly be improving.

And then suddenly one day, you’ll run into an old fuck buddy of yours from three years ago, and realize she isn’t even close to as hot as you remember her.

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Anonymous
Mar 25, 2009 13:14

I get what you’re saying, but I think it could fall into that “Easier said than done” category, where a lot of “Just have this one attitude and your inner game will be tight” advice falls into.

If I know deep down I see a girl as a 10 I can’t just simply say to myself, “She’s a 6 now”, and then magically become confident and at ease around her. In my heart, I don’t feel it’s true.

I think to really make that mental shift, you need real world experience and success, and your outlook changes over time.

That’s pretty much what happened to you – after three years, then the 9 become a 6. You didn’t just think yourself that way.

Aaron
Mar 25, 2009 13:49

Is 5 supposed to represent the median girl, or the average one? Because the ugliest girls are far ugly than the hottest ones are hot. So that would mean the median girl must be significantly hotter than the average.

Entropy4
Mar 25, 2009 13:59

@Anonymous: You’re right it takes times, but try it dude. You’ll be surprised.

Next time you’re in field and you see some girl who’s ridiculous, just shrug and tell yourself, “she’s an 8.” Yeah, you’re kidding yourself, but you do that 9-10 times and you start to believe it.

It’s called affirmations. You can convince yourself of anything if you tell yourself something enough time. Oldest self-help trick in the book.

Erika
Mar 25, 2009 19:24

This is going to be a blunt comment. I just think the rating scale is dumb. How can we possibly capture the essence of another person in a number? Why not just see everyone as a human being? FFS.

GoneSavage
Mar 25, 2009 19:43

“Guys who adapt insanely high standards without any success or experience are just making excuses.” –Entropy

“Guys who adapt insanely high standards without any success or experience are just making excuses… for the fact that they are GAY.” –Savage

I think Frank Kermit and I are the only guys that talk about this: A lot of guys in the community are closet homosexuals. And it’s not the guys getting laid (to 6s and 7s or whatever), it’s always the guys making excuses. It is often easier for a guy to admit that he is bad with women than to admit that he is gay. The women feel and see this though. One of the ‘attraction switches’ is simply proving to her that you are not a closet homosexual.

“And then suddenly one day, you’ll run into an old fuck buddy of yours from three years ago, and realize she isn’t even close to as hot as you remember her.” –Entropy

Two things are at play here. One is the simple and unavoidable process called aging. It is rare for a girl to be as hot as she was 3 years ago.

Two is the simple fact that a new girl is always subjectively more attractive than a girl you have already slept with. Often when my friends think that my GFs are 9s and 10s, and I’m thinking, if I really want to rate her she is a 7 at best, I have to remind myself that they have not experienced her personality or sexuality like I have. As a tangent, if a woman is bad in bed, her rating goes down QUICK.

The solution for NEWBIES is simple. It is binary. There are girls you want to experience sexually, so you approach. And then there are girls that you do not.

Soporno explains it for logical guys in in this short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDujTDXN0Ng

And then suddenly one day, you’ll run into an old fuck buddy of yours from three years ago, and realize she isn’t even close to as hot as you remember her.

Tyler.
Mar 25, 2009 20:43

Honestly this post was amazing, sooo true.. I’m not sure why this isn’t getting more attention. I used to look at 10’s as attainable, but I would do the classic things, like act way too needy, treat her like she’s on a pedestal, and essentially while trying NOT to be like every other guy who compliments her,I gave her way too much attention and was no challenge to her.
Could you write about text message game sometime, Mark? Like if a girl you’re into texts you a lot, whether its worth replying as much as she’s texting you, and when its a good idea to text or call after getting a number? I’d like to see your thoughts on it. Excellent blog, thanks for your thoughts!

Entropy4
Mar 26, 2009 1:48

Savage: The aging point in a lot of situations isn’t true. For instance, some girls get more attractive at 22 than at 19. In my opinion at least.

As far as the experience, I agree with that. Although the girl I used as an example I never had anything more than casual sex with.

I’m a fan of the binary system as well. Just as long as guys don’t get married to this weird idea of there being static “9’s and 10’s” that are all-glorious and unavoidable.

Erik
Apr 17, 2009 19:39

@Erika: word.

I think that the scale doesn’t only screw you over in the end, but it totally objectifies woman. Personally, I’d much rather be banging a chick that some would call a 6, but funny as hell and makes me feel good about myself, than a 9 that I feel is a constant mind battle, and just kinda sucks as a person.

DJ Fuji said something that I really liked. It went something like, “The more successful you are with women, the more willing you are to sleep with a woman that some would consider ugly. This is because you don’t identify your abilities and self-worth off of one lay anymore, as someone with little experience with women would.”

BTW, the site looks great.
Erik

Entropy
Apr 17, 2009 23:51

Erik: I disagree that it necessarily objectifies women. It only does if a guy bases his value for women SOLELY on her “Attractiveness.”

Look, I understand that all women have wonderful things about them and ugly things about them (as all people do), and that some of the hottest women have ugly personalities and vice-versa. But on a purely physical basis, I find some girls hotter than others. End of story. So the scale does have some sort of validity.

I would argue what Fuji is saying is that as you get better, “the scale” becomes less important to you than when you start out. Which I found to be extremely true as well.

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