This is some good stuff.. as always!

Great stuff. The teases are great, and i agree with you in that you def don’t want to over do it. I enjoy using teases on the regular when meeting new women. Keeps things fun and entertaining and really helps their true personality come out fast!

It all sounds too simple.

good shtuff because it is supposed to be that simple and normal…you should write a memo like Doc H. and call it Groundhog Night.

This is great stuff in theory and I have tried to work it in the field countless times. I have done alot of this in field as well and for some reason it still is not working…..it just seems that women find you amusing, personable, great to talk to but in the end want to have sex with the better looking or status guys no matter what I experience. All of this self-help material is great on paper, but in reality do women really value personality that much over say looks and money? You tell me that game really works but man I have not seen it in the four years I have been involved in the community. Yes with taller better looking guys – sure it works. For average guys, I honestly have not seen it or experienced it. I really wonder…..from my experiences (I a little above average in looks and shorter in stature at 5′7), I just see women flocking to men that are marginal in personality but bigger in stature and who make the coin…..I really wonder if the average guy can win…..

Limiting beliefs are brought up alot in pickup-self help. But here is the crux – how can you believe in something that you have not seen or experienced beyond a question of faith? If you go out and approach attractive 20 to 25 women a week for months, years and you still do not get numbers or emails or dates and you take course after course, read book after book, dress well, develop good humor, good conversation, good body language and are told that its all confidence and you know you have confidence but still get no results – then how can someone say “its just a limiting belief” – maybe its true? In baseball a hall of famer gets 3 hits out of every 10 at bats…an average player 2.5 hits…a bad one 2….so there is a fine line there…however it seems the odds are more in your favor there then in pickup and at least you can see other players getting hits so there really is no limiting belief aspect…but in pickup I really do not see average guys succeeding…..

@What?: It IS this simple.

@Max: We’ve been through this like 5 times now. You can wonder all you want. My recommendation: join a lair and find a short guy who’s good, or do a one on one with a small PUA who is really good: Cajun, Doc (for day game), DJFuji, El Topo… all of those guys are 5′8″ and under and get great results.

You’re using these comment sections as a place to validate your issues. Go fix your issues and stop posting about them.

Hey man. This is kind of offtopic, but I just watched your video where you were talking about closing %.
You mentioned that on a Day2, your closing percentage should be 90%. So basically you were saying you should be able to close 9 out of 10 girls. Sounded a little unrealistic to me. I mean some girls could be just not into you. Others you just won’t be able to close on a day2, but day3/4. Plus there is always a question of logistics.

Just wanted to hear your thoughts on this. What was your reasoning?

@M: It’s not unrealistic. Myself and 3-4 guys I know who are also really good consistently close 90+% of girls on a day 2.

It’s because the mere fact that girl is showing up for a date with you to begin with is showing a massive amount of interest and compliance. So anyone who’s good given 3-4 hours alone with the girl can take that all the way to the finish line.

The only exception to this is if you’re meeting girls online.

Entropy, this has been a really cool series. I wanted to ask you about attracting “hotter” women in night game. I have been at this for over a year now doing approaches and having success with women in the average to above average range (what I would call 6, 7 and lower 8). Its when I get to the 8.5 and above range (particulary in night clubs and bars – night game) is where I seem to really hit a wall. I go out just about every weekend and do about 15 to 20 sets between a friday and Saturday night and I just cannot seem to attract this caliber of woman. I approach very attractive women alot and while for the most part they seem to enjoy my company thru their signals and tone, I just cannot seem to close the deal. Is there a difference in gaming these women – do you need to neg/tease more, do you need to go more indirect/direct? Is this something you shed some advise on?

@Brad: That’s a pretty common question. I’ll address it in its own post or a mailbag. Thanks.

Entropy – that would be great. I look forward to seeing this future post or mailbag. Its something that is really burning with me when I go out at night. Thank you!

Hi Entropy,

the posts about your night game model are awesome.
It seems like you designed your model towards same night lays.
Do I have to do something different if I don’t mind to go on a day2 (because of lack of skills) or if I am gaming with the goal of meeting woman I want fuckbuddy-relationship with.

Thanks in advance,
ENC

Hi Entropy,

I want to first thank you for writing such an helpful series. I am an newbie trying to apply your model. When you mention above on “repeat the cycle with another topic”, do you start with ” What do you do when you are not ….. ” question? If not, how do you transit to the next topic.

Thanks,

Dave

Thanks Entropy. I always get value out of your blog posts. Hopefully you can post more about teasing/flirting because it’s one of the areas I struggle and most people have no idea how important it is. I remember taking a BC with DJ Fuji(Mehow) in Vegas and after a couple sets Fuji is like” Do you know how to flirt.” I responded with “Yeah, I guess.” Obviously I didn’t because I wasn’t doing it correctly. I have a problem with engaging in too much Platonic or boring conversations which kills attraction. I am getting out of the habit by taking my sets lets seriously and teasing as much as possible. I believe the key is to tease at every available opportunity but slowing down the frequency of your teasing as you move through the phases in the seduction.

@Dave: With another cold read on a different subject, or follow that subject to a new subject.

Entropy,

I find this blog awesome. I recently had a discussion with another man about whether I was making things too overly complicated–in other words too much brain in my game. I see by this article that maybe he was right.

After reading this, I went out with the intention of performing a single tease and cold read per set. A lot of the sets seemed resistant and apathetic at first (it was a tough crowd), but I was able to actually change the state of the girls and elicit some surprisingly good reactions.

My question is: In field, do you frequently encounter a wall of apathy at first, then find yourself able to tear it down using teases and cold reads?

-MacGyver

@MacGyver: Yes and no. The wall of apathy means that your passive attraction isn’t as high. This means your non-verbals and opener may need some work. I’d say maybe 1/2 of my sets, the girl seems apathetic and then 25% are enthusiastic (already attracted) and the rest are either blow outs or just go no where.

But to answer your question, yes, you can break through the apathy. Can I frequently tear through it? Frequently enough, but not always. Usually if I’m 5-10 minutes into the set, I’ve thrown out 3-4 teases, done a few cold reads and she’s still apathetic, I just move on.

Some girls take a lot of work. Others don’t. And some girls just don’t seem to come around no matter what you do. But that’s fine, remember, it’s a number game. Always a numbers game.

“Sorry, I don’t talk to girls who read. I prefer my women illiterate.”

That’s hilarious!