I got a huge response to my last post about how after you do this long enough you hit a point where it becomes natural.

Some of it was positive and some of it was really negative so I wanted to revisit the subject.

There was a thread that really made me start thinking about this subject. It was between a couple of guys who are really good. I’ve met them, they have solid game, and have been doing this for a while.

They were talking about girls asking them a question, or putting a hoop on them. The conventional community wisdom would be that before you “jump” through their hoop you would put your own hoop on the girl and once the girl jumps through their hoop they can reward the girl on her original hoop.

This is already more than I’m ever conscious of in set

They furthered the topic by saying that now they were testing out making the girl jump through multiple hoops and then reward her on something not related to her original question or “hoop.”

Now I get the idea of what they’re talking about. But am I really going to be conscious of that in set? Not a chance in hell.

Now everyone games differently. There are things that I can get away with in set that I have never met a student who could pull it off. And the same is true for things that work for someone else that doesn’t work for me.

However, trying to make someone keep stuff like that in mind while in set is more trouble than it worth.

I was talking to my primary the other day, she knows what I do for a living, and from time to time she asks me questions about the community.

The specific question was about planning out what to say while talking to women and routines. Her impression was that guys will plan shit out hours in advance of what to say, do, etc.

And I was telling her that after about five minute mark in an interaction I will no longer be thinking about what to say. I just flow and if I ever run out things to say or need a boost in the interaction I can pull out some routine or story. I can also dig into my bag of tricks and pull out same night lay frames or whatever else I may need at the time.

This balance of natural and routine based game is the sweet spot to be in.

The more I do this and work with the students the more I realize that they have way too much information in their heads and are thinking about too many things at once. They’re trying to keep track of IOIs, IODs, give the girl a SOI, not DLV themselves, all while worrying about if she’s giving them a “hoop.”

Keep it simple it.

Until next time.