Attraction, PUA Theory - Written by Entropy on Thursday, March 19, 2009 15:25 - 9 Comments

Natural Advantages, Ctd.

So I left off our discussion yesterday with a question from one of my students. He basically asked this: Yes, getting hung up on one’s height or weight or age or whatever IS a limiting belief, but at the same time, it’s objectively true that these ARE natural advantages. So how do we reconcile this?

The Fallacy of Natural Advantages – There’s one place where I think guys go wrong, and they go wrong easily. And that’s believing that women OBJECTIVELY want taller or skinnier or younger men (enter whichever limiting belief you choose). Although these traits are culturally regarded as “more attractive,” they’re just that, cultural. For instance, in the 1500’s, bigger women were considered attractive.

Now, you’re probably asking right now, “Uhh… so fucking what?” Well, my point here is, it’s not being tall itself that’s attractive. Remember, attraction is triggered in a woman’s brain. It’s a drive. It’s involuntary — or as David D likes to say, “Attraction is not a choice!”

The question isn’t, “why are taller guys attractive?” the question SHOULD BE, “what is it about tall guys that triggers attraction?” or “what is it that tall guys sub-communicate that short guys don’t?”

What is it that skinny guys sub-communicate that big guys don’t?
What is it that handsome guys sub-communicate that ugly guys don’t?
What is it that rich guys sub-communicate that broke guys don’t?

You get the point.

BTW, I would answer the above questions the following — height and weight: dominance; good looks: health, social value; rich: intelligence, security.

If you read through the comments of these threads, you’ll notice a couple things:
- Short guys chiming in that they can get away with being obscenely aggressive and insane kino.
- Tall, big guys saying that girls often feel threatened by them.

What does this mean? Shorter guys are going to have to focus more on attraction game and taller guys are going to have to focus more on comfort game.

Have you ever seen hot girls with guys who are like 6′4″ and fucking 300 pounds? And you wonder how the hell that beast of a man landed a hot girl? Well, what you’ll find is those guys are often the sweetest, most loyal boyfriends you could ever find. It’s what girls call, “big teddy bears.” They love them because they feel incredibly safe and secure with them. So if you’re a big guy, you can either get bummed out because girls get freaked out by you, or you can become their “big teddy bear.”

Since short guys don’t sub-communicate their dominance through looks and height, they’ll have to demonstrate it more through their interactions with girls.

So in conclusion, we can resolve this paradox the following way:

1. Differentiating between the actual trait and what causes attraction. Being dominant causes attraction, not being tall.
2. Once these two things are differentiated, we can all agree that being tall has a NATURAL ADVANTAGE at creating dominance.
3. As such, short guys aren’t prevented from getting the same amount of attraction as tall guys, they’ll just have to work harder.

And that’s all I have to say about that…

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Eric
Mar 19, 2009 22:13

This is cool. As the only instructor out there that is really admitting that different strategies work for different people your taking it to the next level and offering advice that inst coming with one size fits all marketing. (no pun intended)

Most “systems” out there are quite robust but at the same time pickup is supposed to be efficient. This dichotomy creates a signal to noise ratio that after beating AA is the top reason guys have difficulty learning pickup. With all this information out there from years of – somewhat outdated – study into dating science it should be easy, but its not.

There are definitely more field than height where this personalized info would be valuable.

Eric

Anonymous
Mar 20, 2009 1:41

The bad news for us shorter, not so hot guys:

Pick-up isn’t done in a vacuum. Any desirable girl is choosing between you and the other dozen guys who are trying to get her at the same time as you.

D’Angelo has a point that attraction isn’t a choice. But even if it’s not a choice, it’s still pretty predictable. All other things being equal, from the group of suitors she WILL pick the guy who’s taller, stronger and better-looking than the guys who are shorter, fatter and uglier.

Saying that her preference for the taller, stronger, better-looking guy is a proxy for her real desire for dominance and health is a platitude to make less genetically-favored guys feel better. The reality is that if they’re choosing among otherwise equal guys, just about every girl prefers the taller, stronger, better-looking guy, dominance be damned.

The reason height and looks is such an issue for lots of us is because you can only play with the hand you were dealt. If you’re 5′5″ and ugly, cool haircuts and intense gym workouts can only go so far. You’re always gonna be short and ugly, and tall, good-looking guys who whine about “being threatening to girls” will never know what a real disadvantage is. Life ain’t fair.

The good news:

Be happy we’re guys.

There’s no getting around height. All other things being equal, basically every girl will prefer a guy who’s 6′ to a guy who’s 5′5″. But in contrast to guys, girls are totally different in their preferences about looks. I’ve met girls who think Brad Pitt isn’t good-looking, girls that hate Zack Efron, girls that think Johnny Depp is gross. On the other hand, find me one guy in the world that honestly would not kill to go out with Jessica Alba or Giselle Bundchen.

And in contrast to guys, girls don’t only care about a guy’s physical qualities. They really mean it when they say that they also value a guy’s personality, sense of humor, intelligence, and charm. And there are girls who value a guy’s money, clothes, lifestyle. These are all things that we can work on and get, despite our genetic bad luck.

I may be short and not-so-hot, but this means I’ve still got a chance to get a desirable girl. But harsh as it to say it, a girl who’s short, ugly and has sagging breasts has got no chance to get a great guy, no matter how great her personality is. That’s why they call it a “fat girl personality”.

So for us shorter, not-so-hot guys, there are lots of other ways to get the girl. Sure, it’d be a lot easier to also be tall or good-looking. But if you’re as funny and famous and rich as Jack Black, you can get away with being short, ugly, fat and smelly and still get hot girls. If you’re as rich as Trump, you can get away with being old, flabby and wearing a comb-over carpet on your head and still get hot girls.

And if you’re just one of us normal shorter, not-so-hot guys, you better not be fat, better take showers, and damn well shouldn’t wear a toupe, but if your personality, sense of humor and outer game skills are good enough, you can still get the hotties. Yeah, it sucks we have to work harder, and yeah, our game will take longer since we have to overcome built-in bias against us and we don’t have the automatic attraction built in like taller, good-looking fucks. Those good-looking, taller fucks will never know what we face. And repeating Community platitudes that looks don’t matter just tries to hide us from the the reality that despite all the work we do and all the “skills” we have, we’re still gonna see lots of cases where some tall, good-looking fuck with no skills, no charm, no personality gets a girl we want only because of his genetic advantages.

But we can either use our genetic bad luck as an excuse and have miserable lives, or we can deal with it, work as hard as possible and succeed in spite of the shitty hand we were dealt.

FiReSpY
Mar 20, 2009 9:36

I do totally agree with that post, it’s so true. I am nearly 6.36 feet tall, so if I am agressiv with girls, they are TOTALLY scared, thats why my friend who is like 5.5 foot tall is much more agressiv and it works out for him better than it does for me. If I am like a bit more “nice” than I am usually it works out best.

Entropy4
Mar 20, 2009 14:07

@Anonymous – You’re 100% right. But you’re right for the exact reason I said in the post.

Yes, ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, taller, good-looking guys will always generate more attraction. Why? Because their physique already sub-communicates more dominance than others.

That’s where the advantage is.

And yes, I would take the “disadvantage” of coming off threatening to girls any day over being short. I don’t envy you shorter guys. And I have mountains of respect for the guys that I meet who are 5′5″ and pull just as much ass as I do.

Eric
Mar 20, 2009 21:44

@ Anonymous

If you are so worried about being rejected by girls in favor of better looking taller dudes why dont you try daygame where there is no competition from other guys and the girls are hotter.

Just my .02

Eric

Anonymous
Mar 22, 2009 13:28

Great post.

Anonymous
Mar 22, 2009 19:52

No matter how you slice it – taller guys will have a greater probability to get girls. Witness a club atmosphere. Me at 5′7″ gets drowned out in the midst of 6ft guys and women wearing 4″ heels putting many over 5′10″ if not more….I was in a club this weekend and tried to game but could not even get thru to talk because I was drowned out.

I still state my case – if you are a halfway decent looking guy at 6ft or more, no hangups, drug free,personable and if presented with pickup material and it does not work you – there really is no excuse not to eventually land a hot girl…

Entropy4
Mar 22, 2009 20:13

@Anonymous: I still state my case – if you are a halfway decent looking guy at 5′7″, no hangups, drug free,personable and if presented with pickup material and it does not work you – there really is no excuse not to eventually land a hot girl…

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