I must say, I disagree on the physical shyness part of your obseravtions. I’ve recently been on a 2-week trip through Stockholm, Oslo, and Helsinki (though this can also applies to two months ago when I was in Vienna), and I’ve had great success with dancefloor kino game, as far as just making out goes. In my experience, if she’s still dancing with you and smiling after 5 minutes, it’s totally ON. (On a related note: Scandinavian girls generally speak English really well.)

I suppose I should say French/German women. And not dance floor game, but basically opening, them not understanding, them not speaking English and then me trying to keep the set alive with nothing but kino/hand signals/dancing. In the US, it’s not too hard to get make outs without saying more than 2-3 sentences. But here in Europe, girls just kind of look at me like, “Who the fuck IS this guy?”

But we’ll see… I really want to visit Scandinavia.

I recommend it wholeheartedly. And if you need to make a choice – go to Stockholm, it’s the largest and busiest city, the prettiest and most fashionable girls, plus there’s a lot to see generally.

To the first commenter, Entropy is right. Much more physically shy in Europe, something many PUAs never discuss. But I understand the reason why you would think otherwise, especially in Stockholm. In Stockholm, where I’ve been, they are so physically shy in the daytime and regular day to day life that when they go out at night they end up really drinking hard and getting slammed in order to be able to lower their natural social defenses and interact freely. What ends up happening is that once they get so slammed, they end up OVERcompensating on the touching and forwardness (both genders) to make up for all that repression they experience in their normal everyday lives. Plus when they realize you’re a foreigner and there will be no social repercussions for being a little more forward than if they were doing so with a native Swede who would kill their reputations in local circles the following week, that explains the discrepancy you experienced. A lot of foreigners who first experience Stockholm people when drunk and in nightlife settings actually believe they are more receptive to physical escalation than American women, but if you spend enough time there and physically escalate over a long enough timeline in Europe you’ll start seeing it backfire more often than go well, as many women you meet will not be drunk enough for it to work.

Also, the fact you were on the dancefloor also makes a big difference. A lot of people tend to get drunk in general just to work up the nerve to get on the dancefloor and dance with the opposite sex in a sensual way in Scandinavia. So by doing dancefloor game, you already were experiencing selection bias for drunk women. And in Scandinavia like I said earlier, drunk people tend to be overboard in aggressiveness and kino precisely because they are so normally averse to it at all other times.

For example Stockholm men, not normally known for being hyperassertive, turn into the most direct game assholes when drunk, an unbelievable 180 degree change.

Last thing about Swedes and sexual forwardness, here are some links that explain it better. They are really extreme alcoholics there

http://www.thelocal.se/17566/20090216/

Check out #2 on this list about how alchoholic Swedish people are in order to get social:
http://lostinstockholm.com/2009/08/27/10-things-to-know-about-swedes/

Check out not so much the post at this link but the comments following it about drunk girls being extremely forward in Sweden:
http://lostinstockholm.com/2007/10/10/dating-in-swedenwe-americans-need-a-guide/

Your analysis of Swedes’ behaviour during the week vs. on weekends in truly stunning and insightful. But you mention the term “drunk” so many times, like you have something against sarging drunk girls?

Oh no, neuron, I have no problem sarging drunk girls at all. It’s just that alcoholism is SUCH a huge part of the lifestyle there that you HAVE to take it into account when trying to predict and understand their behavior. Otherwise you’ll find yourself confused and surprised a lot when you think you understand what works on Swedish women based on what happens one or two nights, then try to sarge one who is only tipsy or buzzed the next night and find your kino attempts totally rebuffed.

After living in Germany for 2 years I don’t see much point in learning a few phrases of German – it generally won’t help as you’ll have to go into English anyway so might as well start off the bat with it in my opinion.

First, thanks to T. AKA Ricky Raw for linking my blog here. =)

With regards to your conversation about Stockholm, let me enlighten you all a bit.

- Drinking IS a huge part of our culture. If you don’t get sloshed to death on Friday and Saturday, well then, you’re just an idiot. The government decides how, where, what people can buy so Swedes revolt by getting piss drunk every weekend.

- Both men AND women drink away. To get any mating done, you have to drink. Swedes are normally reserved, distant people. The way to a woman’s pants (or man’s for that matter) involves beer.

- In normal life, i.e. non social events, people rarely talk to each other. If you talk to a stranger, it means you are crazy. We don’t care who you are and how charming you are, you’re just psycho to us.

- As Entropy puts it, French women are more physically shy: but they’re great at playing games. They’re the master of toying with men. The Swedish women are masters at just using men. It’s the opposite in Sweden compared to the US, women do the hitting on, men sit back.

- Talking to strangers at clubs and bars is also weird. Even though I’m American, I’ve become Swedish enough that I find it weird if a guy were to speak to me. (If that happened back in the US, I would think it’s normal). So be careful how you approach in clubs. People go to club in groups (and stay in their group) and just find a random lay; they don’t go to clubs to chat with random people. Get the difference?

Hope this helps!

Just read this today on a Swedish website, incredibly relevant to this topic, and backs up a lot of what we were saying, Love Systems instructor Soul discusses Swedish women, including how their personalities change radically once drunk:

http://www.thelocal.se/22540/20091008/