Comments on: Experience and Dumb Luck http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck Sarge Smarter, Not Harder Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:49:27 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: SupermanPUA http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1564 SupermanPUA Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:52:43 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1564 Come to think of it, a lot of the breakthroughs I've had, happened from luck. Come to think of it, a lot of the breakthroughs I’ve had, happened from luck.

]]> By: Entropy http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1523 Entropy Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:05:51 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1523 Nonsense: You may be right... I mean, it's true... the circumstance is up to chance (out of your control) and how you handle the circumstance is up to your skill... Some circumstances give you more control than others... Looking back, I was a little bitter the last two weeks because I had a few weeks there where Argentina was handing my ass to me. Nonsense: You may be right… I mean, it’s true… the circumstance is up to chance (out of your control) and how you handle the circumstance is up to your skill… Some circumstances give you more control than others…

Looking back, I was a little bitter the last two weeks because I had a few weeks there where Argentina was handing my ass to me.

]]> By: Nonsense http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1522 Nonsense Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:46:00 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1522 I think your view is very pessimistic. As far as I can tell the following is consistent with all your observations, and this philosophy serves me well in day game (my night game is just passable): 90% of girls I you want are layable, the reasons you don't sleep with them are varying degrees of obstacles or problems. 'Pick up' helps you smooth over these problems. If the girl is with friends, you know to befriend the group. If the girl is shy, you use comfort games to get her out of her shell. You escalate like a demon while talking about Keynesian economics, because you know separating rational from emotional helps girls feel safe with things that may usually worry them, and the sooner you touch her the sooner she'll fall for you. If you hit a problem you can't surmount, you know enough to work around it and, when time permits, think up plausible 'solutions' that you can try next time it comes up. Of course, I did about 100 approaches before I started seeing success, but once you see it you can never unsee it and your ability to make women happy skyrockets. I think your view is very pessimistic. As far as I can tell the following is consistent with all your observations, and this philosophy serves me well in day game (my night game is just passable):

90% of girls I you want are layable, the reasons you don’t sleep with them are varying degrees of obstacles or problems. ‘Pick up’ helps you smooth over these problems. If the girl is with friends, you know to befriend the group. If the girl is shy, you use comfort games to get her out of her shell. You escalate like a demon while talking about Keynesian economics, because you know separating rational from emotional helps girls feel safe with things that may usually worry them, and the sooner you touch her the sooner she’ll fall for you. If you hit a problem you can’t surmount, you know enough to work around it and, when time permits, think up plausible ’solutions’ that you can try next time it comes up.

Of course, I did about 100 approaches before I started seeing success, but once you see it you can never unsee it and your ability to make women happy skyrockets.

]]> By: Max Karlstedt http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1521 Max Karlstedt Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:22:00 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1521 Great post, man! More people need to realize what I would view as the truth which is that outer game is the best way to improve your outer game AND inner game at the same time. I would also to point out that if you would get a girl through luck, skills or a combination of, why do you care about that? Was not it the concrete results you were after, and not to prove to yourself (and/or others) that a certain method works? Just some foods for thoughts! Great post once again, man! / Max. Great post, man!

More people need to realize what I would view as the
truth which is that outer game is the best way to improve
your outer game AND inner game at the same time.

I would also to point out that if you would get a girl through
luck, skills or a combination of, why do you care about that?

Was not it the concrete results you were after, and not to
prove to yourself (and/or others) that a certain method works?

Just some foods for thoughts!

Great post once again, man!

/ Max.

]]> By: www.EntropyPUA.com – Pre-Selection, Drinking and Reframes http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1503 www.EntropyPUA.com – Pre-Selection, Drinking and Reframes Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:20:19 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1503 [...] smattering of questions popped up in the comments to my last post about dumb luck and experience. I’d also like to make some clarifications, as some people seem to not [...] [...] smattering of questions popped up in the comments to my last post about dumb luck and experience. I’d also like to make some clarifications, as some people seem to not [...]

]]> By: Aaron http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1502 Aaron Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:46:03 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1502 My mistake i see your point My mistake i see your point

]]> By: Aleator http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1499 Aleator Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:12:40 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1499 Luck is often presented as something magical, while there has in fact been psychological research on the subject, please see "The Luck Factor" , Richard Wiseman (2003) for more information. People who describe themselves as "lucky" seem to share certain behavioral patterns and personality traits. Some of them are openness, extraversion and willingness to listen to intuition. "Lucky people tend to talk more to other people and are thus more wellinformed and when they are looking for a new jobs etc. As you describe in your seven immutable laws of pickup that success in the end comes down to a numbers game. And you only get good by doing an "ASS-LOAD" of sets. A lot of people (including myself) dream of the one shot - one kill pickup. While it seems that the (well-aimed) heavy artillery barrage is more efficient to increase both the numbers ant the quality of notches. Luck is often presented as something magical, while there has in fact been psychological research on the subject, please see “The Luck Factor” , Richard Wiseman (2003) for more information.
People who describe themselves as “lucky” seem to share certain behavioral patterns and personality traits. Some of them are openness, extraversion and willingness to listen to intuition. “Lucky people tend to talk more to other people and are thus more wellinformed and when they are looking for a new jobs etc.

As you describe in your seven immutable laws of pickup that success in the end comes down to a numbers game. And you only get good by doing an “ASS-LOAD” of sets. A lot of people (including myself) dream of the one shot – one kill pickup. While it seems that the (well-aimed) heavy artillery barrage is more efficient to increase both the numbers ant the quality of notches.

]]> By: Entropy http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1497 Entropy Thu, 08 Apr 2010 06:30:54 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1497 Errr.... I never said it was ALL dumb luck... In fact, I believe I wrote 70-80% probably. And how are external factors not the same thing as luck? I don't understand what your point is and whether you agree or disagree... Game will always give you the best chance to capitalize on the situations presented to you... but short of throwing yourself into as many situations as possible, you have no control over which situations you're given. And the majority of situations are not going to be stacked in your favor. In fact, the vast majority of situations, you're going to have little to no chance... That's what I mean when I say luck. Even if a guy stands in a bar all night and waits for a girl who's horny to approach him... he's still surrendering the majority of control over his outcomes to luck. He's basically hoping for a drunk, horny girl to show up. Even if he escalates perfectly, he's only controlled a tiny minority of his outcome. As far as verbal vs. non-verbal game... that's a whole different topic... but yeah, if you meet a girl who's already turned on and into you, then words will actually hurt you rather than help you. if you meet a reserved girl who is only mildly into you, then you need to have tight verbal game. Errr…. I never said it was ALL dumb luck… In fact, I believe I wrote 70-80% probably.

And how are external factors not the same thing as luck? I don’t understand what your point is and whether you agree or disagree…

Game will always give you the best chance to capitalize on the situations presented to you… but short of throwing yourself into as many situations as possible, you have no control over which situations you’re given. And the majority of situations are not going to be stacked in your favor. In fact, the vast majority of situations, you’re going to have little to no chance… That’s what I mean when I say luck.

Even if a guy stands in a bar all night and waits for a girl who’s horny to approach him… he’s still surrendering the majority of control over his outcomes to luck. He’s basically hoping for a drunk, horny girl to show up. Even if he escalates perfectly, he’s only controlled a tiny minority of his outcome.

As far as verbal vs. non-verbal game… that’s a whole different topic… but yeah, if you meet a girl who’s already turned on and into you, then words will actually hurt you rather than help you. if you meet a reserved girl who is only mildly into you, then you need to have tight verbal game.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1496 Aaron Thu, 08 Apr 2010 06:19:18 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1496 i dunno if its ALL dumb luck i mean like one of the guys said some calibration is involved for example oh she just told me she came to this bar by herself guess she wants cock lemme oh...whatya know i have one of those...theres the pull. I also dont think its so much words anymore. Dont get me technique is great but i hear naturals say they do some eye contact thing and escalate. They know its on so they dont run a stack they go for the gusto. a dude i know tells girls that there body is on fire and escalates and it works for him. But your right i think a lot of this stuff is luck because there are a hell of lot of external factors that prevents everything from going down. i dunno if its ALL dumb luck i mean like one of the guys said some calibration is involved for example oh she just told me she came to this bar by herself guess she wants cock lemme oh…whatya know i have one of those…theres the pull. I also dont think its so much words anymore. Dont get me technique is great but i hear naturals say they do some eye contact thing and escalate. They know its on so they dont run a stack they go for the gusto. a dude i know tells girls that there body is on fire and escalates and it works for him. But your right i think a lot of this stuff is luck because there are a hell of lot of external factors that prevents everything from going down.

]]> By: Entropy http://www.entropypua.com/blog/experience-and-dumb-luck/comment-page-1#comment-1495 Entropy Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:51:18 +0000 http://www.entropypua.com/blog/?p=1535#comment-1495 Looks like someone has been writing about this since early 2008. ;-P But I've read some 60. I like him. Looks like someone has been writing about this since early 2008. ;-P

But I’ve read some 60. I like him.

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